Limey: hey
Yankee: HEY
Limey: hi
Yankee: how life?
Limey: crap, yours?
Yankee: about the same
Limey: then we have stuff in common other then horror films, cool
Yankee: hhh
Yankee: too true
Limey: btw, if you like Batman, alien or predator, save this link www.personal.psu.edu/jmm546/batman_deadend_fanfilm.mov really cool Batman fan movie. tis 8 mins long
Yankee: not working
Yankee: could you give me the page that links to it?
Limey: I know the actual page that links to it, I got the link from a forum. should work from there tho - http://pub113.ezboard.com/fthedoctorwhoforumfrm29.showMessageRange?topicID=2184.topic&start=1&stop=20 scroll down to the 2nd post that has a link. that's the one I use. dunno if the other works
Limey: the predator, alien stuff gets kinda silly, but cool none the less. looks absolutely great
Yankee: oddly enough that link doesn't work either but the link before it is working. I'm downloading the film right now although it is downloading really slow
Yankee: your link doesn't even start to download for me

<Limey gets knocked off of MSN temporarily>
Yankee: had a hiccup on your connection I see
Yankee: here is what I said as you popped off....
Yankee: Yankee: oddly enough that link doesn't work neither but the link before it is working. I'm downloading the film right now although it is downloading really slow
Yankee: your link doesn't even start to download for me
Limey: hey, you seen Red Dragon yet?
Yankee: yes
Yankee: around our Memorial Day
Limey: I watched it yesterday
Limey: what did you think?
Yankee: you never saw it before that? I thought you had for some reason.

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Limey: nope, hadn't seen it before that, and haven't seen the original version either
Yankee: It was alright. In some ways better than Hannibal but not quite Silence. It was a little weird if anything. My biggest complaint about it is that it isn't much of a Hannibal Lecter film as it is a "Silence-styled' film. Know what I mean?
Yankee: I never saw Manhunter either
Yankee: damn this file must be hosted on a server with a modem connected to it. I have an hour and a half left to download this thing and its only 43.4 mb; that's ridiculous! I'm using a freakin' T1 line!
Yankee: oh wait. I think it just finished
Limey: lol tit
Yankee: gonna watch in a minute. waiting for the boss to leave the office
Limey: anyways, yeah, know what ya mean. Hannibal didn't do anything. at the end of Silence he strut his stuff. here ya didn't see anything, 'cept he stabbed what’s-his-face at the start
Yankee: the start was the best "Hannibal part" of the movie. This actual could have been a decent serial killer flick but if they would have done it that way it would have been perceived as "Silence of the Lambs rip-off"
Yankee: it was entertaining at least. And over all it was clever. Then again that's because the book was good.
Yankee: the directing could have been better but it also could have been worse. It was better than I expected from Brett Ratner. He is more of a good Comedy director.
Limey: yeah. some do say it's a silence rip off, but they couldn't just make it the same as Manhunter except a different dude playing Lecter and the detective, and I assume the book is at least a bit like this film so really, the 2 books are similar
Limey: if it had just been the same with different actors, it'd be bashed unfairly like the Psycho remake
Yankee: I agree
Limey: it's different, bashed for changing stuff about. it's the same, bashed for being the same
Limey: I actually hear Red Dragon was made cos of Hopkins desire to play Lecter again
Yankee: Dino De Laurentis wanted to round out the series, pretty much because people wanted to see how Lecter was actually caught prior to Silence.
Yankee: and he also wanted to bring out some parts of the book that wasn't in Manhunter.
Yankee: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=7399
Limey: ah, right-o. they should have really made the whole catching of Lecter a bigger part of the movie, if that's the reason they made it
Yankee: I think that was just an excuse.
Limey: probably. I think the film could have benefited from being a little more subtle, like at the start at the dinner party, and really without anything pointing at it too much, ya know they're eating the missing musician. that was great
Yankee: yeah. I enjoyed that too. Like I said the whole prologue in the beginning was the best "Hannibal" part of the movie to me.
Yankee: I was disappointed on how he was caught so quick in the movie
Yankee: I wanted more Hannibal but I understand that they actually had a different story to tell here.
Limey: yeah. I wish they'd not told so much about the tooth fairy's past tho, like I hear they didn't in Manhunter. I would have preferred him to be a little mysterious, and his past was so 'horror movie psycho' cliche, really
Yankee: true
Yankee: it would have been cool to have maybe a movie dedicated to the crime and capture of Hannibal. That was my disappointment. Granted I didn't know much about the book at all, but I thought we were gonna be treated to seeing Hannibal in his early days earning his infamy and then seeing him busted in the end.
Yankee: I mean the previous movies it was just assumed that he was the most evasive serial killer out there and that was cool, but I expect from a prequel to a character like this to be "Hannibal in his prime." That sort of thing. something to back up everyone’s fear of him.
Yankee: Don't get me wrong, he is quite spooky in the previous two but most of it is supposed to be his experience that makes him so dangerous. How about when he was young and still learning? After all, that's the real reason why he was busted was because he had never been before that.
Yankee: and that's why he gets away in the two latter stories because he learned from his mistakes. Too me, THAT would have been a terrific prequel.
Yankee: Red Dragon to me is just a decent movie that had a little bit of Hannibal Lecter in it in some part of his past life.
Limey: yeah...did seem like he was caught like any other criminal, with no apparent police force chasing him too much. with the way he's always kept in that restraining thing and what have ya, you'd think in the past he'd been found but attacked a copper and got away or something a few times
Yankee: really the coolest device about Dragon is how Will Graham was almost like his protege' and that's how he is able to stop the new criminal who was getting some help from Lecter. That's where I found it clever. Focus on characters who lives where deeply influenced by Lecter. Again, this should have been considered more of a spin-off with Hannibal cameos cause that's really how it works IMO.
Limey: yeah indeed. still lots better then Hannibal to me. Hannibal was kinda crap. but then I don't like the Hannibal book either
Yankee: I enjoyed Hannibal but it definitely wasn't as tight as Silence or Dragon.
Limey: I couldn't get into Clarice in the movie. I don't mind a different actress, but it was like a shell of the Clarice in Silence
Yankee: now you see that's the controversy of the two movies....
Yankee: Jodie Foster who wouldn't fit well as how Clarise had become by the time Hannibal takes place(especially for the physical almost Butch type FBI agent) but Moore who doesn't fit the depth that foster gave in the first but is a far more realistic "Top FBI field agent capable of finding a killer like Hannibal". Either way something would have suffered I guess.
Yankee: Clarise is definitely the weakest part of Hannibal
Yankee: Hopkins really did it justice though.
Yankee: you can look in his eyes and see why a small old psychiatrist could be so feared.
Yankee: he's strong but not super-human. most of what makes him so dangerous is the fear he puts in you first. That's the source of his power.
Yankee: pretty much when Hannibal smiles(or stops smiling in some cases), THAT's when you KNOW that you are fucked.
Limey: lol, yeah, tho ya know he can be beaten in his tactics. to me, I just knew Will would never be done over by Lecter, even if he got out
Yankee: Will almost bought it though. The thing about Lecter is that you cannot afford to make a mistake with him. That part in Hannibal where he kills the "pick pocket" is definitely cringe worthy. He was so slick about it.
Yankee: Hannibal looks for your mistakes and exploits any opening he can to make his move.
Yankee: the funny thing is, the best way to stay alive with Hannibal is to have his respect and to be good to him.
Yankee: Hannibal's MO is much like a "cleaner of society"
Yankee: I wouldn't mess with him!
Limey: lol yeah, killers that are slick and methodical are always the best. that was the only good thing about American Psycho. it was just like business to that guy btw, don't let me put ya off about that film. all reviews I read give it 5 outta 5, so I guess only I hate it
Yankee: lol. I still have to see it. wasn't there a sequel?
Limey: yeah, TOTALLY different tho. different killer, etc. not copy cat tho. basically wasn't American psycho
Yankee: so basically it was a totally different movie but just called American Psycho ala Halloween 3?
Limey: yeah. has a small connection if I remember right - she (the killer) killed the guy from the first one. then it just turns into a different film. bit of a teen slasher
Yankee: sounds campy
Limey: yeah. not too bad, if ya can separate the films, but sometimes tis hard cos of echo's of lines from the first, etc
Yankee: hmm. maybe ill rent both the same weekend
Limey: lol, cool. btw, a good Brit film would be 28 Days Later if ya wanna watch something
Yankee: so that is cool huh? I heard mixed reviews on it
Yankee: seems to have been well received on your end of the globe though.
Limey: naturally, it's British the last 20 mins is definitely the best, tho
Yankee: I do want to see it. It always looked interesting in the trailers I've seen
Yankee: my one friend says he left after about 30 minutes because he said all it was is some guy yelling "Hello" for 20 minutes to an empty world.
Yankee: I'm sure he's exaggerating
Limey: more like 4 minutes... your friend has no sense of time
Yankee: I told him that I would see it anyway. I'm a sucker for zombie movies. even bad ones.
Yankee: hence, the fact that I am the only person in the world that liked Resident Evil.
Limey: lol RE wasn't too bad, but, to be blunt, America doesn't seem to know how to use the traditional horror creatures anymore. they do the serial killer more cos they can't do the monsters. Brit films pull off the monsters. like Dog Soldiers with the werewolves. that was great
Limey: and tho it was a bit crap, Long Time Dead with a Djinn
Yankee: America isn't the issue. Hollywood is. I can assure you.
Limey: that's what I mean
Yankee: the only reason why Resident Evil gets passed off as a horror film is because Hollywood won't spend money on something that isn't a "sure thing " and its a damn shame cause we get robbed of good gore films because they aren't "popular enough".
Yankee: I hate that
Yankee: Freddy vs Jason wasn't even gonna get done if Jason X didn't do decent in the theaters
Yankee: And I would be willing to bet that the gore gets "toned down" for tit.
Yankee: it
Yankee: Really independent companies are the real future for Horror, unless we can have another rob zombie flick that doesn't get censored to hell like it did.
Limey: lol. hence why Brit movies are great. they're all different, horror or not.
Yankee: well, if 28 days later is any indication maybe that will be the trend that wakes up Hollywood. If everyone masses to foreign film because its not hindered like American films, then maybe Hollywood will take more chances to help exploit the real talent within these borders.
Yankee: like the upcoming 4th dead film from Romero. That would be cool.
Limey: lol 28 days later pales to other stuff, so I’m sure they won't change their ways cos of that if they haven't before

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Limey: MSN sucks
Yankee: I know.
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<Below is perhaps one of the sparks to the Yank-Lime Pie idea.>
Limey: hey, btw, I may finally do the movie review site I wanted to make. if I do, would ya like to have a small spot under the review of any film you've also seen to give quick look at your thoughts about it?
Yankee: sure. that sounds like fun.
Yankee: we can be the siskel and ebert of the net.
Limey: lol the site'll have basically no design, cos I’m lazy and there's no need
Yankee: whatever. will you include some kind of pic for each film?
Limey: probably, not sure
Limey: Red Dragon was released last year, yeah?
Yankee: www.imdb.com
Yankee: I think so, but that should help.
Limey: that site must be such a pain to keep up to date
Yankee: I think the fans keep it up to date mostly
Yankee: so you have to watch the info sometimes

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Limey: http://www.geocities.com/bleachednp/rdragon.html review of red dragon, but it isn't the final version. pagebuilder screwed up, so I couldn't edit
Yankee: ok
Yankee: its scary the way my mind works
Limey: hmm?
Yankee: well, I already do not have time to keep up with the web projects that I have and yet I already have been brainstorming different ways to make this one look nice and effective.
Yankee: and that's really a naughty thing for me to do.
Limey: lol don't go messin with my logo
Yankee: no, the logo is fine
Yankee: I was thinking more along the lines of the layout for the reviews. nothing complicated mind you, just a little of the structure. The big issue is that geocities limits our bandwidth immensely.
Yankee: that's why I had big problems with TFK (Note: Yankee’s Freddy Kruger site)
Yankee: that's why I decided to redesign
Yankee: too bad its taking me this long
Limey: if by layout you mean 'over view' 'acting' 'gore' etc subsections, I don't really wanna do that
Yankee: no, I mean the look. not the content
Yankee: I think your essay style for the reviews are a good way to go about it.
Yankee: gives it that laid back natural feel to it.
Limey: lol, wasn't sure if it was any good, so ta
Yankee: oh and I didn't have any intentions of actually going in and changing your page, I’m just saying its scary how quick my mind comes up with that stuff when I see a site.
Limey: lol, I really don't mind, it's that I personally can't be arsed with doin anything. other ppl can if they like
Yankee: uhm, you may want to revise the second and third paragraphs slightly. If I hadn't already known what your opinions were I would have been a little confused in there.
Yankee: only the third paragraph. sorry.
Limey: lol, what about it exactly?
Yankee: "Scenes between the movies resident nutbag and Will were interesting, tho pretty much the same as scenes between him and Clarice in 'Silence...'. Scenes between the movies other resident psycho, the Tooth Fairy, and the blind Reba were excellent, and superbly pulled off by the actors."
Yankee: that's just a little harder to follow than you would probably intended
Yankee: other than that, its fine. I didn't check for typos or anything though.
Limey: I did, didn't notice any
Yankee: well you should have.
Limey: well, I saw one. but pagebuilder screwed up
Yankee: "i've" "scenes.While " "analysed" "excellant" "realise" "Overrall" and that's just from a quick glance.
Yankee: pagebuilder blows
Yankee: I used it once
Yankee: hey, im gonna run
Yankee: check ya later
Yankee: Ill give you my follow up eventually. maybe by the end of the week.
Limey: k. btw, that's how we spell analysed and realise
Yankee: ok.
Yankee: I thought maybe you did. wasn't sure.
Limey: yeah yeah you were tryin to show off
Yankee: hmm. American and British reviewer on the same page. That would be our "gimmick".
Yankee: how many pages can boast that?
Limey: lol, everytime I use words like colour, I’ll capitalize the U
Yankee: hhhh
Yankee: later
Limey: cya